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Title: What sucks about Microsoft?
Post by: James on April 08, 2009, 11:20:19 pm
 ;D

Well.......

James.  :)
Title: Re: What sucks about Microsoft?
Post by: BlinkenLights on April 09, 2009, 08:02:07 am
this has been done to death...
Title: Re: What sucks about Microsoft?
Post by: Fanny Pack on April 09, 2009, 08:10:16 am
I'm not going to put up with this nonsense.  You guys have fun on your little forum.
Title: Re: What sucks about Microsoft?
Post by: meandean on April 09, 2009, 10:42:43 am
  Some people have absolutely no sense of humor... >:(
Title: Re: What sucks about Microsoft?
Post by: BlinkenLights on April 09, 2009, 11:12:26 am

James, we have a person here that uses the MS development platform. That is a contributing member of this forum.

MS has coma a long way. Im MS certified MCDST and MCP so i cant bad mouth them.. and again its been done to death,.





Title: Re: What sucks about Microsoft?
Post by: James on April 09, 2009, 02:00:31 pm
Holy Crap!

I saw a very OT discussion cropping up in Gary's category about Microsoft, so I made a new topic where people could go on about it without putting more stuff in the Spaghetti category.

What's the big deal?

There are a lot of legitimate things to bring to light here!

Microsoft has LOTS of bad issues to deal with. They've got several operating systems up in the air right now and they are screwing with all sorts of digital media content rules too!

If you hadn't noticed, I poked some fun at Mac OSX and Linux too.

Maybe some people are just a bit TOO sensitive when it comes to this issue. Maybe those people should think about broadening their horizons a bit.

James.  :)
Title: Re: What sucks about Microsoft?
Post by: meandean on April 09, 2009, 02:32:12 pm
 Go online and look for "XP downgrade rights" to find some amusing material...

 What's up with that?

 MS has come a long way ???
Title: Re: What sucks about Microsoft?
Post by: BlinkenLights on April 09, 2009, 02:40:46 pm
and what OS are you using right now Dean?

hell vb6 is your development platform. and it works ...

everyone bitches about this or that but never gives credit for what it DOES offer..

Windows allows people with no previous experience to reap the benefits of computers. They can use them for countless tasks without realy having to understand them.. This allows people to focus their lives on other tasks and perform those tasks with greater efficiency.

Paperless offices, document storage and retrieval, mathematical calculations, driving directions, tracking trucks, you name it.. a computer can make your job less cumbersome. but not if you have to spend all that time learning about the computer first.


MacOS does the same thing but is less popular due to Microsofts strong foothold on the business market..


When it comes to servers, i agree that linux kills Microsoft hands down..
Title: Re: What sucks about Microsoft?
Post by: James on April 09, 2009, 03:04:38 pm
The motivating forces behind Microsoft are different than any other OS.

MS is a marketing company.

They are not a technology company.

Their primary objective is to make money; not to develop the human understanding of computer science.

An ignorant computer user is a Microsoft customer for life.

MS is also the last OS on Earth that is still a "Personal Computer" OS.

Everything else is based on the UNIX main frame idea. Everything else is POSIX compliant and can make direct use of the whole world of GNU and the Free Software Foundation.

FreeBSD, Linux and MacOSX kernels are all built with the same GCC!

Every other OS has the outer layer of architecture that protects the OS from malicious attacks.

Since there is no real money behind free technology, it is not being pushed into use. As a matter of fact, it is being pushed out-of-use by MS.

The idea of buying an OS that REQUIRES the user to employ "anti-virus" software is absolutely RIDICULOUS!

Microsoft has done a lot of great things to get ordinary people to use computers, but their time has come and gone.

There is NO SUCH THING as a "Personal Computer" anymore!

That went away when people started hooking up network connections... and then the I-80-386 came out and the world had a microprocessor that was sophisticated enough to run a UNIX like system. That was 1993!

Some time in the future, humanity has to learn the honest-to-god principals of computer science.

It might sound outrageous now to think that everyone should have a good working knowledge of UNIX, but consider the fact that only a couple hundred years ago, knowing how to read and write was a luxury of the richest and smartest people.
Title: Re: What sucks about Microsoft?
Post by: meandean on April 09, 2009, 03:12:52 pm
Let's see... I have a small Linux PC, a P3 with Win ME (I watch TV and listen to music on that one), an Athlon dual-boot for ME and XP Pro, and a new Vista64 machine.
I'm looking to get a laptop sometime, but I'd rather have XP than Vista. I like Win ME the best, too bad they obsoleted it... Don't know anything about Win 7, I hope it's
not another Vista...

It just bothers me that you can't just walk into Best Buy and grab a cheap PC off the shelf with something other than the latest MS on it.
Title: Re: What sucks about Microsoft?
Post by: BlinkenLights on April 09, 2009, 03:19:21 pm
The motivating forces behind Microsoft are different than any other OS.

MS is a marketing company.
No the just happen to market well..
They are a software company.

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They are not a technology company.

no, they are a software company.

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Their primary objective is to make money; not to develop the human understanding of computer science.

correct, they want just the opposite, for people to not have to understand computer science to use computers...

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An ignorant computer user is a Microsoft customer for life.

and thats why they have the bigest market share.. the tapped in to the largest market

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MS is also the last OS on Earth that is still a "Personal Computer" OS.

WRONG !, have you used a cell phone lately ???

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Everything else is based on the UNIX main frame idea. Everything else is POSIX compliant and can make direct use of the whole world of GNU and the Free Software Foundation.

FreeBSD, Linux and MacOSX kernels are all built with the same GCC!

Every other OS has the outer layer of architecture that protects the OS from malicious attacks.

yeah, i wonder why MS OSs are targeted
(http://www.technologijos.lt/upload/image/n/technologijos/it/straipsnis-6179/operating-system-market-share.jpg)

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Since there is no real money behind free technology, it is not being pushed into use. As a matter of fact, it is being pushed out-of-use by MS.

Yes it is...
and there is nobody around to stop them, and its a crying shame. The big shame is that PEOPLE ARE DUMB ! ! ! !

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The idea of buying an OS that REQUIRES the user to employ "anti-virus" software is absolutely RIDICULOUS!

see market share diagram

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Microsoft has done a lot of great things to get ordinary people to use computers, but their time has come and gone.

debatable at best

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There is NO SUCH THING as a "Personal Computer" anymore!

That went away when people started hooking up network connections... and then the I-80-386 came out and the world had a microprocessor that was sophisticated enough to run a UNIX like system. That was 1993!

I agree with that 100%

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Some time in the future, humanity has to learn the honest-to-god principals of computer science.

nope, we will be extinct first because of people like you making smart software.. its thinking like that, that will have us extinct due to our own arrogance. we will destroy ourselves before humanity ever has a chance to develop that far.

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It might sound outrageous now to think that everyone should have a good working knowledge of UNIX, but consider the fact that only a couple hundred years ago, knowing how to read and write was a luxury of the richest and smartest people.

knowledge is power

power corrupts

absolute knowledge is absolute power

absolute power corrupts absolutely
Title: Re: What sucks about Microsoft?
Post by: James on April 09, 2009, 03:48:28 pm
No. MS is not a software company.

Bill Gates did not write MS DOS.

As a matter of fact, he sold it before he bought it from the people who did write it.

Microsoft's strategy has always been marketing.

They have never been known to do it first, or even do it best. They just know how to pick a winner, copy it, make it their own and shove everything else out of the way.

That's marketing; not technology; not computer science; not software development.

The only time knowlege currupts anyone is when it is held by greed and used to control people.

I can understand why MS is continuing on their own path. If they decided to join the rest of the computing world and become POSIX, they would not be able to compete with free stuff.

James.  :)
Title: Re: What sucks about Microsoft?
Post by: BlinkenLights on April 09, 2009, 03:58:03 pm
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They have never been known to do it first, or even do it best. They just know how to pick a winner, copy it, make it their own and shove everything else out of the way.

That's marketing; not technology; not computer science; not software development.

no thats football, natural selection, the olympics, dog breeding, but not marketing...

MS has NO NEED to market unless its to deal with BAD publicity brought to them from OTHER os manufacturers..

Title: Re: What sucks about Microsoft?
Post by: James on April 09, 2009, 04:04:31 pm
I would say that Microsoft is largely (not by any means totally) responsible for making computers common household items. That's a good thing. For the amount of technology that you get inside a box for less than $600 today, it's just mind blowing!

That never would have happened if it wasn't done via marketing.

So that is what makes it possible for me to get amazing hardware for super cheap and install Linux!

That's a good thing!

James.  :)
Title: Re: What sucks about Microsoft?
Post by: BlinkenLights on April 09, 2009, 04:07:39 pm
So quite bitching and start thanking MS for making it all possible.

Title: Re: What sucks about Microsoft?
Post by: James on April 09, 2009, 04:32:19 pm
Who's bitching?

I have made a real effort to know as much as I can about other viable operating systems.

After DOS and Windows, I learned about Solaris, from SUN Microsystems. That was when I learned C.

About the same time I got Linux installed on a machine of my own.

A couple of years later I was hired as an OS/2 software engineer.

While there I maintained the network, provided Internet connectivity and installed Linux servers. I wrote code that was cross platform compatible between OS/2, Linux, Windows 98 and NT. I could install and run The Apache Web Server on any of these and compile and install C++ applications in the cgi-bin. This became the portal for the GUI interface to their one-and-only software product.

I got another job working with battery-opperated hand-held computers with ARM processors. I designed and maintained their Web site and wrote code in C++ for ARM-Linux.

That's where I started the work that would become ezfb, the Linux frame buffer API, that LaserBoy was built on top of three years later.

All I am saying is Thank God for ANSI and IEEE !!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI_C
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%2B%2B

James.  :)
Title: Re: What sucks about Microsoft?
Post by: BlinkenLights on April 09, 2009, 04:52:53 pm
Im not going to continue this  frivioulus discussion.

it has been done to death..

"what sucks about Microsoft" is the wrong way to get your point across if you have one...
Title: Re: What sucks about Microsoft?
Post by: James on April 09, 2009, 07:24:27 pm
I think it's amazing how much an operating system can become a government and a religion.

James.  :)
Title: Re: What sucks about Microsoft?
Post by: James on April 09, 2009, 09:03:41 pm

MS has NO NEED to market unless its to deal with BAD publicity brought to them from OTHER os manufacturers..


It sucks when truth is "bad publicity."

But that seems to happen a lot these days.

James.  :)
Title: Re: What sucks about Microsoft?
Post by: meandean on April 09, 2009, 11:51:19 pm
 I can't believe a little grumbling about MS would create such a fuss (I think we totally scared Hyena off). ANYTHING can be made better
than it already is. I'd like to see a new version of Windows that's actually worth the trouble. I've done a good deal of field service electronics
work at many different companies and have talked with IT pros- many of them made it a point to special order new PC's with XP instead of dealing
with Vista... What does that say?

 I agree with Blinken that most users could care less about the bits and bytes that make a computer go. Most want something that's powerful,
reliable and easy to use without a lot of knowledge. MAC deserves most of the credit for building a friendly and powerful machine (they were
generations ahead of PC's in the early days, and still set the standard for innovation in portable devices such as I-Pods and high-end cell
phones, not to mention that they are the computer of choice in many schools.

 Everday consumers should be able to walk into Best Buy and grab a pre-loaded PC with their choice of the Whopper, Big Mac, Beef-N-Cheddar,
or whatever- I guess that's the core of my beef with MS, as consumers have no choice.

 Maybe the solution is to get the FEDs to do MS what they did Ma Bell many years ago and bust the whole thing up (they made a couple of toothless
efforts to do this a few years back). I'm old enough to remember a time when you didn't own the phone in your own home. How telecommunications have
changed for the better since...

And the irony of all of this is that I'm sitting in front of a Windows machine...
Title: Re: What sucks about Microsoft?
Post by: James on April 10, 2009, 02:06:53 am
I don't really care about any of this stuff. I just like to complain about everything.

James.  :)
Title: Re: What sucks about Microsoft?
Post by: James on April 11, 2009, 02:16:46 am
OH!

OK!

NOW I GET IT Blinky !!!  ;)

Just come up with a HUGE pie chart ...

.... that shows up just now ........

......... and you have made your point.

Well done!

Awesome!

Really.

James.  :)
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