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Title: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: drlava on February 23, 2010, 08:53:15 pm
Nautilus Integration is proud to announce a new level of live laser interaction technology called LaserCam (http://hacylon.case.edu/ebay/laser_diode/LaserCam.php).  LaserCam allows you to project live video feeds in real time through your projector in vector mode.  This technology taps into a video source such as a webcam and, using your laser projector, projects a laser image that is representative of what your webcam or camera sees.  This is not your ordinary low-resolution raster scanning technique.  The images are vectorized in real time and can be scanned at a fluid 30FPS rate on ordinary 30k galvos.

With LaserCam you will be able to use your laser projector in an entirely new way - to display live vector representation of a video feed during a show or concert.  In a club, you can capture and display anonymized vector video of dancers that are on your dance floor in real time on your laser projection screen!  You will also be able to use LaserCam to capture and record frame sequences for use in shows that do not involve a live video feed.

(http://hacylon.case.edu/laser/LaserCam/LaserCam.png)

Demo Video, Xvid compressed (note that the camera used to record this video causes significant flicker which is not seen in real life)

LaserCam opens the doors to live interactive laser projection as well as real-time frame generation techniques for shows.

Features:
    * Display real-time laser video from a camera source
    * Export ILDA 0,1,2,5
    * Interactive Colorization
    * Capture webcam input to ILDA file for use in shows
    * Real-time preview on screen and with laser
    * Supports RIYA, EasyLase, EzAudDac, QM2000 Controllers

Suggested System Requirements:
    * Webcam or similar video input device
    * Dual Core 2GHz processor
    * 1GB RAM (For recording)


Available here

Send a PM for Special Laserboy/AudioDAC pricing.
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: meandean on February 23, 2010, 09:13:28 pm
  I seem to remember AgentC was working on something like this...
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: James on February 23, 2010, 09:23:19 pm
Nope.

He had a live web cam thing started, but it was not a vector outline of video edge detection.

It was a spiral scan that warped in the third dimention based on the intensity of the light coming into the cam. With proper lighting, you could see a 3D impression of things like your hands or your face. That was amazing!

This is totally different. This is a LIVE trace of high contrast edges in the video image, with live data reduction, optimization and a variety of ways to put color into it.

BTW that's an AWESOME picture of you, drlava!

James.  :)
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: meandean on February 23, 2010, 09:28:32 pm
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This is totally different.

  Yeah, but I'll bet AgentC's work was an inspiration...
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: James on February 23, 2010, 09:33:05 pm
No. I'm pretty sure drlava has invented every last molecule of the various technologies that he employs to do his thing with lasers.   ;)  ;D

James.  :)
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: drlava on February 23, 2010, 10:44:14 pm
Hey there Dean!  No I didn't invent webcams, video, laser, or even combining the three.  Actually that has been around for a while.  As most people do, we build on the technologies that are available to create new things.  AgentC was an inspiration in a way.. he inspired me to think 'outside the box' with his app and to involve more interactive sources for laser art creation.  But the inspiration for this was not directly derived from his work, as James pointed out the methods are quite different.  That said, I'd love to add a 3D-ified spiral raster scan mode (among other things) to this at a later time if he and James are cool with that.

Btw, that picture of me is simply a single frame grab from an animation taken with this.  Just hold the webcam to your face and click 'record' :)
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: no-esc on February 23, 2010, 10:51:12 pm
Amazing.... looks incredible.
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: meandean on February 23, 2010, 11:48:25 pm
 I didn't mean to be a weenie (although it does rhyme with my name). I just thought what AgentC was doing was new and different to me, and was well worth mentioning as I was very impressed by it, and wanted to note his efforts.

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AgentC was an inspiration in a way..

 So there it is...


 Now that you have built some technology for making 'laser sense' out of ordinary images from a camera, see what you can do with these classics...
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: drlava on February 24, 2010, 12:50:14 am
Dean, I think you might be missing the point here a little.  There is lots of software that can take still images and convert them to ILDA, that's been done and done.  Even inkscape with ILD SOS can do that.  The uniqueness here is this is LIVE VIDEO.  With live video your mind can make sense and interpret depth and subject out of the motion of curves and lines on a screen!  For example the kingly image you have there - The laser lines version of it looks like a guy in a pointy hat raising his hands under a canopy but you can't tell if he's KKK or the Pope or what until he moves around to give context to the lines.  That's the beauty and benefit of video animation. 
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: meandean on February 24, 2010, 01:00:22 am
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Dean, I think you might be missing the point here a little.  There is lots of software that can take still images and convert them to ILDA

  Fine and dandy- but some apps do a better job than others; so impress me- I don't care if it's a still image or a live camera...
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: James on February 24, 2010, 02:14:00 am
If you ever come to my house again, I can impress the crap out of you with his app.

Once you see it, you'll get why this is such a nifty thing to add to the art of laser display.

He makes a good point. An individual frame from this technique is NOTHING. Seeing it LIVE and at a high frame rate is what it's all about. In that way, it is similar to an ultra-sound. One frame is sometimes impossible to make out, but in the flow of motion your brain can make it into a recognizable 3D image.

James.  :)
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: no-esc on February 24, 2010, 02:51:10 am
I hope i can get my projector working for this weekend.. This would be hella fun to play with at the party... :)
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: Gadget on February 24, 2010, 05:51:11 am
Hi Dr Lava, just ordered a copy from you. I don't think you need to provide a discount at that price :-)
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: no-esc on February 24, 2010, 08:52:14 am
Will this work with the new FSX2.0 Norms Dac 2.0 as well as a sound card dac?
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: drlava on February 24, 2010, 10:38:39 am
Norm's DAC is a no but it does support the sound card DAC, RIYA controllers, EasyLase controllers, and then the QM2000 in the 'Pro' version.  The demo video was done with a sound card DAC.
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: no-esc on February 24, 2010, 12:35:00 pm
Well I will bring the sound card dac into work with me tonight and finally wrestle with the drivers and use an o scope to see if i get it working with my laptop :)  Cool
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: James on February 24, 2010, 02:19:15 pm
Awfully nice of you to support the QM2000 Pro, for those people who don't normally have access to all the new, cutting edge technology available to us sound card DAC users.

It's nice to see someone with enough heart to support vintage laser hardware.

James.  :)
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: satje on February 24, 2010, 04:52:25 pm
This is looking great!
Sure i go order one soon.

Ferry
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: Gadget on February 24, 2010, 06:07:41 pm
Any support for the ishow DAC coming? After all 90% of DACs on ebay are ishow DACs!
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: Gadget on February 25, 2010, 04:50:05 am
I tried this out tonight. Its AWESOME!
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: satje on March 02, 2010, 04:53:18 pm
I am really sad to see the reaction from Pangolin.
Saying they allready got such a feature.

This is the deal, if you got Pangolin H/W you won't get to use Lasercam.
You can get allmost the same but have to spend a few K of $  :'(

Ferry
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: Lazerjock on March 02, 2010, 05:11:44 pm
I just saw Bill's post on PL. He's being kinda a rude.
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: James on March 02, 2010, 06:08:19 pm
You guys just don't get it.

Pangolin is better!

Bill doesn't need to know anything about what anyone else is doing. He is the best!

Don't bother him with details.

YOU don't know what you are doing! YOU are not a good software engineer. YOU don't understand any of the fine details. YOU don't matter.

As is often clearly demonstrated in Bill's replies that have NOTHING to do with the your claims;

Pangolin invented it!

Pangolin did it 10 years before you could even say 'laser'.

If it isn't in the current Pangolin product line, it is because it doesn't exist.

Anything you say, especially the truth, can and will be used against you!

WTF is YOUR problem?

James.  :)

PS. Congratulations on your accomplishments! That is a WAY cool thing. I'm glad you were well received, in general, on the PL too. Super Extra Congratulations on getting Bill to show his ass, again.
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: meandean on March 02, 2010, 07:39:41 pm
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PS. Congratulations on your accomplishments! That is a WAY cool thing. I'm glad you were well received, in general, on the PL too. Super Extra Congratulations on getting Bill to show his ass, again.

 I think that sums it up... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: drlava on March 02, 2010, 08:10:11 pm
I'm fairly certain they didn't do these features already, they might be acting that way so it doesn't look as bad if/when they copy them.

Even a simple 'nice job' would have been good to hear from him.

I look forward to posts from people with the current VST program with their thoughts. Already received one in PM.
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: meandean on March 02, 2010, 08:41:52 pm
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Even a simple 'nice job' would have been good to hear from him.


 That's the whole point... Did you really expect the correct time of day from him? ;)
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: James on March 02, 2010, 10:46:38 pm
Yep. It's all in the psychobabble of pointing out the fact that he already did whatever it is that he is completely ignoring, missing, and shoving aside.

Kinda' like the use of the NOT palette for spanning a "collection of colors" across X or Y to color abstracts, as shown at SELEM-09.

FUCKING GENIUS!

Wish I'd thought of that!

I only came up with that plus Z, plus radial and angular with spanning factors, years before.

That was one of the very few features I was able to demonstrate at SELEM-08.

Thank God they have protected the masses from the evils of palettes!

He sure knows how to get sheep knodding their heads though!

Oh well. At the end of the day, I guess he is doing a great job for Pangolin.

James.  :)
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: Lazerjock on March 03, 2010, 07:44:44 am
Dr.Lava I tried LaserCam last night for the first time and it's incredable!!!!!! Great job.

I'm still playing with all of the features learning how everything works, but it's awsome.

Lazerjock
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: James on March 05, 2010, 12:49:03 am
Not to labor the issue or split the thread any farther, but.......

It seems like some people are not getting the point.

It's not a matter of ANYTHING you can do with a Pangolin system.

Every time something new becomes available to the market of common sense and anyone can use it, even on a sound card DAC, we all experience a "First Time Ever" event.

So there is not doubt that this is one of them.

James.  :)
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: Gadget on March 18, 2010, 03:38:44 am
Hi Dr Lava, MS Security Essentials reports Lasercam.exe as a Virtool. I know its not but just for ur info see pic. (Windows 7)
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: drlava on March 18, 2010, 11:35:16 am
Thanks for the report, I have submitted a false positive inquiry to them.  We'll see how long it takes to get on the white list.
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: BlinkenLights on March 18, 2010, 10:31:01 pm
if you dont have this dll
ShApiUtil.dll
on your system then you can be sure its a false positive, so check just to be sure its not caused by some previous infection
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: Gadget on March 19, 2010, 06:50:20 am
cant find that dll, its a clean system, no logs of virus with Avira or MS AV. no biggie
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: Lazerjock on March 19, 2010, 07:32:34 am
Whats really going on is Dr.Lava has hidden spyware in his software to keep tabs on all of us.
He thinks we're all out to get him. He records all conversations and I've heard he sleeps with tin foil on his head too.

Right now he's cloning a Mini-Lava.

Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: James on March 19, 2010, 05:08:52 pm
Dude! I thought I told you to keep that quiet!

Next thing you know, you'll be posting about the hidden cameras and the invisible laser that can probe you thoughts.

Geeeeeeez!

James.  :)
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: drlava on March 20, 2010, 02:42:54 am
Ok, got a reply from Microsoft..

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he Microsoft Malware Protection Center (MMPC) has investigated the following file(s) which we received on 3/18/2010 8:15:51 AM Pacific Time.
Below is the determination for your submission.

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Submission

  Submitted Files
  =============================================
  LaserCam.zip [Not Malware]
  +---LaserCam.exe [Not Malware]



========

Detections listed above are included in the latest pre-release signatures and made available

I don't know how they do their signatures but they should be file name independent and build version independent so hopefully that will solve it for you Gadget when you get their update.
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: James on March 20, 2010, 02:24:53 pm
You been deemed [Not Malware] by the world's largest producer of [Malware].

That's pretty impressive!

First you get the standard 'Pangolin did it like 10 years ago' and now this!

LaserCam is really going places!  ;D

James. :)
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: Lazerjock on March 22, 2010, 07:52:02 am
I told you it's all because of the tin foil !!!
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: drlava on March 23, 2010, 02:42:12 am
LaserCam updated to 1.0.6.. new features including flickerless spiral raster, brightness and contrast adjustment, new color mode, check your email!
Title: Re: LaserCam: Introducing a new live video to laser projection application
Post by: Lazerjock on March 23, 2010, 12:26:15 pm
Cool, I can't wait to try it.
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